dark green pool - how do I clean it??

[floridapooltech]

Applied Biochemists is an Arch Chemicals, Inc. company.

"Headquartered in Norwalk, Connecticut (USA), Arch Chemicals, Inc. ("Arch Chemicals" or the "Company") is a global Biocides company with annual sales of over $1 billion."
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/arch-c ... _news_stmp
http://ir.archchemicals.com/

Arch chemicals makes HTH, POOLIFE, LeisureTime and GLB. Have you heard of any of them?

Here is another manufacturer, Chemtura, who makes Omni, BioGuard etc.

"Pools containing heavy growth of algae should be cleaned prior to using this product."
From BioGuard, a Chemtura company. http://www.poolgeek.com/BioGuard-Algae- ... P2232.aspx

The algaecide you sell is probably made by Arch or Chemtura. You're the one who should refrain from giving advice.

Those companies you speak of do not make their own chemicals. They sub them out to companies such as Sun Chemicals, etc. You would know this if you had industry knowledge. You still haven't mentioned anything about H2O, which I would gladly tell you the way your website is designed, and the use of vocabulary, I would pass any partnership up in a heart beat as it sounds a little scammy....It's nice that you keep quoting the same line of heavy algal growth from different chemicals which you just admitted are made from the same company...what do you think, they are going to change the formula??? All your proving is they are sticking new labels on the same crappy chemical in the hopes that pool owners will just buy it with another name when they find out your first chemical doesn't work. Which proves my point that you guys sound a little scammy...

[mx357xm2]

DIRECTIONS FOR USE POOLS

␣ Initial dosage - For pools with just visible algae growth,

Note that it says "just visible", which means very light algae, it does not say heavy growth.

[floridapooltech]

DIRECTIONS FOR USE POOLS

␣ Initial dosage - For pools with just visible algae growth,

Note that it says "just visible", which means very light algae, it does not say heavy growth.

I hate to burst your little bubble...however I have cleared many of pools with our algaecide products which you could not even see the bottom, let alone a few inches into the pool. If you want a successful chemical line, I would suggest you switch to our PROtech line. If algaecide doesn't do as its name implies...algaeCIDE...it would not be a very good seller, when, however, it does just that...KILLS algae, as well as prevents it.

[floridapooltech]

I would love to hear what you do when you end up with a strand of chlorine resistant algae since according to you algaecides don't work.

[mx357xm2]

There is no algae that cannot be killed with chlorine.

Your algaecide is made by PROtech Pool Chemicals, which is owned by AllChem. It is the exact same chemical that everyone else sells. It will not work on heavy algae growth. Contact the manufacturer and ask them if you want. They will tell you that the product is not for clearing heavy algae growth.

There's a big difference between actually working on pools and sitting in a pool store selling people chemicals.

When your advice doesn't work, you just find a way to blame the customer and sell them more chemicals.

People who actually work on the pools need to get results. How many hours do you have on-site in the field?

[floridapooltech]

There is no algae that cannot be killed with chlorine.

Your algaecide is made by PROtech Pool Chemicals, which is owned by AllChem. It is the exact same chemical that everyone else sells. It will not work on heavy algae growth. Contact the manufacturer and ask them if you want. They will tell you that the product is not for clearing heavy algae growth.

There's a big difference between actually working on pools and sitting in a pool store selling people chemicals.

When your advice doesn't work, you just find a way to blame the customer and sell them more chemicals.

People who actually work on the pools need to get results. How many hours do you have on-site in the field?

Here's a little educational info for you...Allchem, is not a manufacturer and do not "own" PROtech chemicals...they are a distributor. I do not "sit" in a pool store selling chemicals, we offer advise, give pool owners the necessary knowledge and they make their own decisions, we do not push chemicals that aren't needed like most other stores. You obviously never dealt with us as we do not "blame" the customer and sell them more chemicals, this is a laughable sales tactic put in place by large box stores that have profit only in mind. Your are a complete idiot if you think your advise is anywhere near good, regarding on-site, it's rather funny you mention this as we have service companies that actually come to us when they are stumped on an issue, as well as inspecting commercial properties such as parks, etc...I think my own hours in the field alone, not including my co-workers will exceed yours for the rest of your career (if you're even in the industry).

Regarding your statement "there is no algae that cannot be killed with chlorine". That is the worst statement you have written so far. There is chlorine resistant strands. When chlorine levels are low enough for them to survive, the begin to develop a tolerance. As you raise the chlorine level, they build the tolerance with it therefore the only way to kill them, is with a super-chlorination AND algaecide combo. I think the issue here is the fact that we are retail, you may be a pool boy, and you obviously realize that our free advise is killing your business as homeowners can just look on here, get what they need, and save the $60-120 per MONTH you rape their pocketbooks on. If I were you, I would just take the fact that your incompetent, and pick up a book. A good one for you is "Pool & Spa Water Chemistry, A Testing & Treatment Guide" by Taylor. It has a special algaecide section in there for you on page 35 which may help your reliability! Another really good book is "The Book On Effective Water Treatment" by SeaKlear, page 15 will help you in that book too.

[mx357xm2]

COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
AllChem Performance Products, LP
http://www.protechpoolsupplies.com/Supp ... 0-MSDS.pdf

Algae does not build a tolerance to chlorine. The only time chlorine will have a problem is when the cyanuric acid is too high. In that case, the pool will need to be drained, cleaned and refilled anyway to lower the cyanuric acid level to a good level.

Even with high cyanuric acid levels, the pool can be cleared with chlorine. The chlorine would have to be converted into monochloramine by adding Aqua Ammonia.

If you really think that you could clear this pool by adding a quart or two of algaecide, then you really are clueless.

Here is the correct way to clear a green pool.

[mx357xm2]

swimnsaveusa
the only way to kill them, is with a super-chlorination AND algaecide combo.

This is what you tell customers when the algaecide does not work.

[floridapooltech]

COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
AllChem Performance Products, LP
http://www.protechpoolsupplies.com/Supp ... 0-MSDS.pdf

Algae does not build a tolerance to chlorine. The only time chlorine will have a problem is when the cyanuric acid is too high. In that case, the pool will need to be drained, cleaned and refilled anyway to lower the cyanuric acid level to a good level.

Even with high cyanuric acid levels, the pool can be cleared with chlorine. The chlorine would have to be converted into monochloramine by adding Aqua Ammonia.

If you really think that you could clear this pool by adding a quart or two of algaecide, then you really are clueless.

Here is the correct way to clear a green pool.

Allchem is the DISTRIBUTOR...you clearly haven't done any research and are just typing the first thing that come's up on google. High CYA levels do NOT require dilution of the pool water. You can easily take care of this problem by raising the FC levels with liquid chlorine and hold them until the CYA levels come back down. Also, you do not need to add anything to chlorine in order to chlorinate to breakpoint over CYA...that's more garbage info. You would know this if you actually had experience. All your doing is making yourself sound less and less credible. I never once said all you need is algaecide, you always need to have proper chlorine levels. Here you are putting words in my mouth to try and back yourself out of that giant hole your in.

[mx357xm2]

Our manufacturing facility was established as CFR Packaging in 1997 in Corsicana, Texas. Renamed AllChem Performance Products in 2003.
http://www.allchem.com/divisions/performance.htm

Who is a manufacturer or distributor is irrelevant. All 60 % poly algaecide is exactly the same.

With very high cyanuric acid levels, the amount of chlorine needed becomes impractical.

You probably sell people tons of trichlor, which makes their cyanuric acid go way too high. Then, when they get algae, you sell them overpriced algaecide, phosphate remover and clarifier. It becomes a vicious cycle that keeps the customers dependent on your biased advice.

[floridapooltech]

Our manufacturing facility was established as CFR Packaging in 1997 in Corsicana, Texas. Renamed AllChem Performance Products in 2003.
http://www.allchem.com/divisions/performance.htm

Who is a manufacturer or distributor is irrelevant. All 60 % poly algaecide is exactly the same.

With very high cyanuric acid levels, the amount of chlorine needed becomes impractical.

You probably sell people tons of trichlor, which makes their cyanuric acid go way too high. Then, when they get algae, you sell them overpriced algaecide, phosphate remover and clarifier. It becomes a vicious cycle that keeps the customers dependent on your biased advice.

Allchem does not make the PROtech line of chemicals, all they do is partner with the distribution firm WINDO. All algaecide products are NOT the same as there are infinite ways of making them. If it were the case, then they would all be in a huge lawsuit battle with each other over patent laws. CYA levels are easy to compensate and chlorine does not become "impractical". It's rather funny in the fact that you can sit there an argue a wrong statement, adding more and more wrong statements and not stop. I can't wait to hear what's next!

[mx357xm2]

swimnsaveusa
All algaecide products are NOT the same as there are infinite ways of making them. If it were the case, then they would all be in a huge lawsuit battle with each other over patent laws.

60% (or 30% or 10%) polyquat algicide is all made by Buckman Laboratories in Memphis -- no matter what the brand on the bottle. http://www.poolsolutions.com/tip05.html

Poly 60 was patented by Buckman Laboratories on November 13, 1973. Patent Number 3,771,989
Patent
Patents last only 20 years. Therefore, the patent has expired.

[floridapooltech]

swimnsaveusa
All algaecide products are NOT the same as there are infinite ways of making them. If it were the case, then they would all be in a huge lawsuit battle with each other over patent laws.

60% (or 30% or 10%) polyquat algicide is all made by Buckman Laboratories in Memphis -- no matter what the brand on the bottle. http://www.poolsolutions.com/tip05.html

Poly 60 was patented by Buckman Laboratories on November 13, 1973. Patent Number 3,771,989
Patent
Patents last only 20 years. Therefore, the patent has expired.

I'll be right upfront with you because i'm honestly growing tired of your childish games.

-Most algaecides, even almost every other chemical is made different. You cannot possibly think they are all the same. Some use more fillers, some don't. Most of these companies producing algaecides and other chemicals today were selling the same formula they are using now, as they were 20 years ago. If you honestly believe that every similar product is made the same, you clearly are naive.

[mx357xm2]

You like to tell your customers that there is something special or magical about your chemicals that make them better than all of the rest of the chemical lines that everyone else sells. It's just not true. All chemicals are the same. The only difference is the packaging and marketing.

You probably sell alkalinity increaser for $2.50 per pound instead of telling people that they can just use baking soda from the store at 60 cents per pound.

[floridapooltech]

You like to tell your customers that there is something special or magical about your chemicals that make them better than all of the rest of the chemical lines that everyone else sells. It's just not true. All chemicals are the same. The only difference is the packaging and marketing.

You probably sell alkalinity increaser for $2.50 per pound instead of telling people that they can just use baking soda from the store at 60 cents per pound.

Wow, we're on alkalinity chemicals now... $2.50 per pound your pool store is charging? Either you have no ideal what you are talking about or you just like to slander literally everything. You change subjects faster than anyone I know! Do us all a favor, go to a forum where they sit around and complain about everything in life as this is a POOL HELP forum. So please, grow up and leave!