At my wit's end - cloudy water

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At my wit's end - cloudy water

Postby MikeH in NY » Wed 27 Jul, 2011 15:21

Help! I want to give enough but not too much info, so here goes:

Our pool was not opened for two years, but I did open in this year. I took samples the the pool store a couple times a week, and it has come a long way from the frog pond it was. The problem is that even though my water is balanced (all the pool store seems to care about), it has never cleared up - it's so cloudy I can't see the bottom even in the 3 foot end. I have done everything the pool store told me to do and I run the filter/pump 24 hours per day (backwashing when needed). No matter what I do, it stays cloudy. I even tried old fashioned floccing - the floculent didn't sink, it stayed on top (yes, I raised the ph and followed the instructions exactly.)

I have a sand filter (the pool store doesn't believe the pool sand needs changing), and I am getting very good flow and pressure from the pump.

Any help is appreciated.


Mike H in NY

At my wit's end - cloudy water

Postby Mike H in NY » Wed 27 Jul, 2011 15:29

Sorry, forgot the chem info, here it is (from the pool store analysis):

TDS 2200
CYA 70
Tot chlorine 9
Free chlorine 9 (I had just super shocked)
Total Alkalinity 170 (they said not to worry about that)
Total hardness 140 (said not to worry about that either)

Pool is 17,000 gallons, 16x32, 6ft deep end

I use chlorine, pucks in the skimmer and liquid to shock
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Postby chem geek » Thu 28 Jul, 2011 00:53

The shock level with a CYA of 70 ppm is more like 28 ppm FC. Also, assuming your circulation is good but that your sand filter isn't catching finer particles you can try to Add DE to a Sand Filter for better filtration.
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Postby MikeHNY » Thu 28 Jul, 2011 08:53

Thanks for the response, chem geek. I had seen on the internet that adding a bit of DE might help, and my assumption really is that this cloudiness is fine particles. When I scoop a sample for the pool store, it actually looks clear. I am headed out shortly and will get a bag of DE.

I don't understand what you mean when you say "with a CYA of 70 ppm is more like 28 ppm FC." Does that mean the free chlorine is actually relatively higher than it tests? Remembering that it was a frog pond (literally), I did dump in a LOT of chlorine and I used a super algecide the pool store sold me. On my home test kit the total chlorine tests at about 2 today, I haven't dumped in any chlorine in 3 days, but I do have pucks in the skimmer. My ph is about 7.0. As far as appearance goes, I wouldn't say it's blue cloudy, and I guess I couldn't really say it's green cloudy, either, but pressed I'd say more green than blue.
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Postby chem geek » Fri 29 Jul, 2011 01:27

What I meant was that with your CYA so high it will take much higher FC levels (about 28 ppm) to be effective for shocking. Shocking is NOT a one-time event. You need to SUSTAIN the high FC level by adding more chlorine. The fact that yours dropped so fast shows that it is oxidizing algae quickly and you need to raise it or else algae will grow again and you'll lose ground. Please read the Defeating Algae article in the same Pool School where I linked the DE in a sand filter page.
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Postby MikeHNY » Fri 29 Jul, 2011 07:27

chem geek wrote:What I meant was that with your CYA so high it will take much higher FC levels (about 28 ppm) to be effective for shocking. Shocking is NOT a one-time event. You need to SUSTAIN the high FC level by adding more chlorine. The fact that yours dropped so fast shows that it is oxidizing algae quickly and you need to raise it or else algae will grow again and you'll lose ground. Please read the Defeating Algae article in the same Pool School where I linked the DE in a sand filter page.


Actually it didn't drop all that fast. The original numbers I gave were from last week. I have been generally keeping the chlorine high, dumping in 30-35 gallons a week (17000 gallon pool), in addition to 4 or 5 pucks in the skimmer which dissolve over about 3 days. When it was a frog pond I started by dumping in 10 gallons per day for three days and had as many pucks as it would hold. This was the first time I took a break from putting in that much chlorine with the hope that someone might actually be able to enter the pool. This is all per instructions of the pool store.

As I stated earlier, it's mainly the cloudiness, and I can't really say it's green, although it's not blue, either. At any rate, five more gallons went in yesterday, and five will likely go in today - this makes it off the chart on my home test kit, the oto turns a dark orange. I also did the DE thing yesterday afternoon. No appreciable change noted this morning, and I did backwash because of high pressure/reduced flow in the evening.
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Postby chem geek » Fri 29 Jul, 2011 10:58

If you backwash, then the DE is removed and you'll need to add more. The fact that the pressure increased so quickly is a good sign (assuming you didn't add too much DE -- only enough to see a 1-2 PSI increase initially) since it means things are getting removed from the pool.

Trichlor pucks increase CYA so I would not use them. Use only chlorinating liquid or 6% unscented bleach.

For every 10 ppm Free Chlorine (FC) added by Trichor, it also increases Cyanuric Acid (CYA) by 6 ppm.
For every 10 ppm FC added by Dichlor, it also increases CYA by 9 ppm.
For every 10 ppm FC added by Cal-Hypo, it also increases Calcium Hardness (CH) by at least 7 ppm.
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Postby drain and refill » Sat 30 Jul, 2011 00:14

you need to save money/time and dump your pool water and refill it or buy a better pool filter that can clean up a green swamp.
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Postby czechmate » Sat 30 Jul, 2011 06:09

Advice is cheap.
New pool filter, that most likely is not needed cost around 600 bucks.
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Postby drain and refill » Sat 30 Jul, 2011 19:26

Advice is cheap.
New pool filter, that most likely is not needed cost around 600 bucks.

Well use your AARP card then for a discount!
Like I said dump the water and refill the pool with fresh water as a sand filter will take forever or replace the filter with something newer and bigger that can handle this. I guess running your pool 24/7 for weeks is cheap?
I have been generally keeping the chlorine high, dumping in 30-35 gallons a week (17000 gallon pool), in addition to 4 or 5 pucks in the skimmer which dissolve over about 3 days.

enough said!

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