dark green pool - how do I clean it??

Algae problems in swimming pool water.
Green (cloudy) water or slimy pool walls.
Black algae. Mustard algae. Pink or white pool mold.
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Postby floridapooltech » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 18:16

mx357xm2 wrote:There is no algae that cannot be killed with chlorine.

Your algaecide is made by PROtech Pool Chemicals, which is owned by AllChem. It is the exact same chemical that everyone else sells. It will not work on heavy algae growth. Contact the manufacturer and ask them if you want. They will tell you that the product is not for clearing heavy algae growth.

There's a big difference between actually working on pools and sitting in a pool store selling people chemicals. :lol:

When your advice doesn't work, you just find a way to blame the customer and sell them more chemicals. :lol:

People who actually work on the pools need to get results. How many hours do you have on-site in the field?


Here's a little educational info for you...Allchem, is not a manufacturer and do not "own" PROtech chemicals...they are a distributor. I do not "sit" in a pool store selling chemicals, we offer advise, give pool owners the necessary knowledge and they make their own decisions, we do not push chemicals that aren't needed like most other stores. You obviously never dealt with us as we do not "blame" the customer and sell them more chemicals, this is a laughable sales tactic put in place by large box stores that have profit only in mind. Your are a complete idiot if you think your advise is anywhere near good, regarding on-site, it's rather funny you mention this as we have service companies that actually come to us when they are stumped on an issue, as well as inspecting commercial properties such as parks, etc...I think my own hours in the field alone, not including my co-workers will exceed yours for the rest of your career (if you're even in the industry).

Regarding your statement "there is no algae that cannot be killed with chlorine". That is the worst statement you have written so far. There is chlorine resistant strands. When chlorine levels are low enough for them to survive, the begin to develop a tolerance. As you raise the chlorine level, they build the tolerance with it therefore the only way to kill them, is with a super-chlorination AND algaecide combo. I think the issue here is the fact that we are retail, you may be a pool boy, and you obviously realize that our free advise is killing your business as homeowners can just look on here, get what they need, and save the $60-120 per MONTH you rape their pocketbooks on. If I were you, I would just take the fact that your incompetent, and pick up a book. A good one for you is "Pool & Spa Water Chemistry, A Testing & Treatment Guide" by Taylor. It has a special algaecide section in there for you on page 35 which may help your reliability! Another really good book is "The Book On Effective Water Treatment" by SeaKlear, page 15 will help you in that book too.


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dark green pool - how do I clean it??

Postby mx357xm2 » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 19:03

COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
AllChem Performance Products, LP
http://www.protechpoolsupplies.com/Supp ... 0-MSDS.pdf

Algae does not build a tolerance to chlorine. The only time chlorine will have a problem is when the cyanuric acid is too high. In that case, the pool will need to be drained, cleaned and refilled anyway to lower the cyanuric acid level to a good level.

Even with high cyanuric acid levels, the pool can be cleared with chlorine. The chlorine would have to be converted into monochloramine by adding Aqua Ammonia .

If you really think that you could clear this pool by adding a quart or two of algaecide, then you really are clueless.

Here is the correct way to clear a green pool.
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dark green pool - how do I clean it??

Postby mx357xm2 » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 19:11

swimnsaveusa
the only way to kill them, is with a super-chlorination AND algaecide combo.

This is what you tell customers when the algaecide does not work.
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Postby floridapooltech » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 19:13

mx357xm2 wrote:COMPANY IDENTIFICATION
AllChem Performance Products, LP
http://www.protechpoolsupplies.com/Supp ... 0-MSDS.pdf

Algae does not build a tolerance to chlorine. The only time chlorine will have a problem is when the cyanuric acid is too high. In that case, the pool will need to be drained, cleaned and refilled anyway to lower the cyanuric acid level to a good level.

Even with high cyanuric acid levels, the pool can be cleared with chlorine. The chlorine would have to be converted into monochloramine by adding Aqua Ammonia .

If you really think that you could clear this pool by adding a quart or two of algaecide, then you really are clueless.

Here is the correct way to clear a green pool.


Allchem is the DISTRIBUTOR...you clearly haven't done any research and are just typing the first thing that come's up on google. High CYA levels do NOT require dilution of the pool water. You can easily take care of this problem by raising the FC levels with liquid chlorine and hold them until the CYA levels come back down. Also, you do not need to add anything to chlorine in order to chlorinate to breakpoint over CYA...that's more garbage info. You would know this if you actually had experience. All your doing is making yourself sound less and less credible. I never once said all you need is algaecide, you always need to have proper chlorine levels. Here you are putting words in my mouth to try and back yourself out of that giant hole your in.
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Postby mx357xm2 » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 19:54

Our manufacturing facility was established as CFR Packaging in 1997 in Corsicana, Texas. Renamed AllChem Performance Products in 2003.
http://www.allchem.com/divisions/performance.htm


Who is a manufacturer or distributor is irrelevant. All 60 % poly algaecide is exactly the same.

With very high cyanuric acid levels, the amount of chlorine needed becomes impractical.

You probably sell people tons of trichlor, which makes their cyanuric acid go way too high. Then, when they get algae, you sell them overpriced algaecide, phosphate remover and clarifier. It becomes a vicious cycle that keeps the customers dependent on your biased advice.
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Postby floridapooltech » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 20:01

mx357xm2 wrote:
Our manufacturing facility was established as CFR Packaging in 1997 in Corsicana, Texas. Renamed AllChem Performance Products in 2003.
http://www.allchem.com/divisions/performance.htm


Who is a manufacturer or distributor is irrelevant. All 60 % poly algaecide is exactly the same.

With very high cyanuric acid levels, the amount of chlorine needed becomes impractical.

You probably sell people tons of trichlor, which makes their cyanuric acid go way too high. Then, when they get algae, you sell them overpriced algaecide, phosphate remover and clarifier. It becomes a vicious cycle that keeps the customers dependent on your biased advice.


Allchem does not make the PROtech line of chemicals, all they do is partner with the distribution firm WINDO. All algaecide products are NOT the same as there are infinite ways of making them. If it were the case, then they would all be in a huge lawsuit battle with each other over patent laws. CYA levels are easy to compensate and chlorine does not become "impractical". It's rather funny in the fact that you can sit there an argue a wrong statement, adding more and more wrong statements and not stop. I can't wait to hear what's next!
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Postby mx357xm2 » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 20:43

swimnsaveusa
All algaecide products are NOT the same as there are infinite ways of making them. If it were the case, then they would all be in a huge lawsuit battle with each other over patent laws.


60% (or 30% or 10%) polyquat algicide is all made by Buckman Laboratories in Memphis -- no matter what the brand on the bottle. http://www.poolsolutions.com/tip05.html

Poly 60 was patented by Buckman Laboratories on November 13, 1973. Patent Number 3,771,989
Patent
Patents last only 20 years. Therefore, the patent has expired.
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Postby floridapooltech » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 21:01

mx357xm2 wrote:
swimnsaveusa
All algaecide products are NOT the same as there are infinite ways of making them. If it were the case, then they would all be in a huge lawsuit battle with each other over patent laws.


60% (or 30% or 10%) polyquat algicide is all made by Buckman Laboratories in Memphis -- no matter what the brand on the bottle. http://www.poolsolutions.com/tip05.html

Poly 60 was patented by Buckman Laboratories on November 13, 1973. Patent Number 3,771,989
Patent
Patents last only 20 years. Therefore, the patent has expired.


I'll be right upfront with you because i'm honestly growing tired of your childish games.

-Most algaecides, even almost every other chemical is made different. You cannot possibly think they are all the same. Some use more fillers, some don't. Most of these companies producing algaecides and other chemicals today were selling the same formula they are using now, as they were 20 years ago. If you honestly believe that every similar product is made the same, you clearly are naive.
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Postby mx357xm2 » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 21:22

You like to tell your customers that there is something special or magical about your chemicals that make them better than all of the rest of the chemical lines that everyone else sells. It's just not true. All chemicals are the same. The only difference is the packaging and marketing.

You probably sell alkalinity increaser for $2.50 per pound instead of telling people that they can just use baking soda from the store at 60 cents per pound.
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Postby floridapooltech » Sun 12 Sep, 2010 21:27

mx357xm2 wrote:You like to tell your customers that there is something special or magical about your chemicals that make them better than all of the rest of the chemical lines that everyone else sells. It's just not true. All chemicals are the same. The only difference is the packaging and marketing.

You probably sell alkalinity increaser for $2.50 per pound instead of telling people that they can just use baking soda from the store at 60 cents per pound.


Wow, we're on alkalinity chemicals now... $2.50 per pound your pool store is charging? Either you have no ideal what you are talking about or you just like to slander literally everything. You change subjects faster than anyone I know! Do us all a favor, go to a forum where they sit around and complain about everything in life as this is a POOL HELP forum. So please, grow up and leave!
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