Chem-less copper Ionizer

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stanton
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Chem-less copper Ionizer

Postby stanton » Wed 05 Sep, 2007 22:06

Anyone have one of these units? I just purchased one and looking for some fellow pool owners to share info and learn from.


unhappypoolowner

copper ionizer

Postby unhappypoolowner » Thu 20 Sep, 2007 10:07

My advice - take it back for a refund. I made the mistake of purchasing one about a year and a half ago. It hase never worked! But I have gone through four sets of copper cathodes at about $125 per set. I have had to run my filter almost continuously (VERY EXPENSIVE) during the hot months and I have had to add hundreds of dollars of non-chlorine shock treatment just to get clean water. Even more absurd is that I have had to add about 2 gallons per week of muriatic acid in order to keep the pH down as required by the manufacturer.
ray

ionization

Postby ray » Sat 10 May, 2008 10:56

when using ionization you should use a chlorine level of 0.4ppm (US min) as an oxidant (breaks down sun creams and oils produced by the skin.)
ionization softens the water and should cost about 1.5 pence per day to run. you can buy copper test strips to test the water and safe levels are between 0.15 and 0.5 ppm.
for more ionization info visit purepool.co.uk
Strannik-au
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Postby Strannik-au » Sun 11 May, 2008 02:37

Any method of sanitation which doesn't include chlorine or bromine is useless since it doesn't kill bacteria quickly enough and there is no residual left.

So you would still need to use chlorine with it, and the question is: why bother then?
bubba

copper ionizer

Postby bubba » Tue 12 Aug, 2008 13:06

highly dissagree! i own a copper ionizer and besides non chlorine shocking everyother week my pool is maintaince AND chemical free! my pool water is sparkling clean too. EBAY 225.00 best money i ever spent
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Postby Strannik-au » Wed 13 Aug, 2008 06:26

If you have to shock every other week it means your device is useless.

Normally you don't have to shock if your device is coping with the demand.
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Postby chem geek » Wed 13 Aug, 2008 10:34

If the device is just a copper ionizer and not also an ozonator, then there is no oxidizer in the pool which is why a non-chlorine shock is needed to oxidize the ammonia/urea from sweat/urine, among other things.

Copper by itself kills bacteria slowly which is why it is not an EPA-registered sanitizer. In sufficiently high levels, it will prevent algae growth, but so will other algaecide approaches such as PolyQuat 60 or use of a phosphate remover and, of course, chlorine alone (at levels high enough relative to CYA) will prevent algae growth. Silver also kills bacteria, but again slowly. These metal ions also have mixed results with respect to inactivation of viruses.

Specifically, copper/silver take on the order of 10-30 minutes to achieve 99% kill rates of most bacteria -- bacteria can double in population every 15-60 minutes in ideal conditions so this is fast enough to prevent uncontrolled growth, but not person-to-person transmission. Chlorine at a level of an FC that is about 10% of the CYA level has 99% kill times of around 0.5 to 2 minutes which is generally fast enough to prevent person-to-person transmission.

At higher temperatures found in a hot tub and when used in conjunction with a residual of non-chlorine shock (specifically, MPS), kill times from silver can be closer to that of chlorine and this is the basis of the Nature2 system for spas. However, this is not the situation for pools and kill times are far slower since a residual of MPS is not maintained and the temperature is lower.

So for a public pool the use of a metal ionizer alone would not be allowed. In a private pool, the risk is mostly in person-to-person transmission of pathogens rather than any runaway bacterial growth. Just because the water is crystal clear does not mean that it is safe. The risk is low, but much higher than that of using chlorine.

The other downside of using copper is that there is a risk of staining, especially if the pH rises or the copper level gets too high. Blondes can have their hair get a green tint from the copper as well.

Richard
1pooroldmom

Chem-less copper Ionizer

Postby 1pooroldmom » Mon 13 Apr, 2009 16:27

I got a Chem-less system last year and justed added a gallon of bleach every week (or every other week if we didn't get to swim due to vacation or weather). It kept my pool clear and clean all year. Still tested with the reguar chlorine test kit for pH and never had a problem. I think I may need to replace the copper cathodes this year though and can't seem to find out how to????? Any help getting or replaceing the cathode would help. Eastern NC.
dave cairns

Chem-less copper Ionizer

Postby dave cairns » Sun 19 Apr, 2009 05:14

i have used my ionizer 4 2 years now.i had no trouble with it for 18 months.beautiful clean soft water you could drink. lately ive had problems and had needed to shock treatment with liquid chlorine andor acid. seems the higher temperatures i n cairns have something to do with it. i have fixed this problem by floating a stabilizer tablet in the filter box. slight odour when filter turns on but that seems to be the only aftereffect.working well now :) touch wood
ionizer

Chem-less copper Ionizer

Postby ionizer » Thu 21 May, 2009 19:23

no pool sanitizer system is perfect, most customers expect to much out of them, the chemless system has been a dependable system with very little problems, if there is a problem i suggest you contact the company for help because they can't help you if they don't know that there is a problem.

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