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Pool Cleaning Full Service for $65, is it real?

Postby Lito » Mon 26 Jan, 2009 20:59

I seen a company in Orlando/Kissimmee that was offering pool service for $65, they said it was full service but im not sure what that means and other companies in the same area are asking 75-110 for service, how do I know that this is a real deal?


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Postby lonestar » Thu 29 Jan, 2009 10:31

Call and ask what they do while there.

Are they using trichlor tabs, chlorine gas or hydrochloric acid? Are they going to check the skimmers and brush the tile line?

In texas there used to be companies that offered $55 a month service but used chlorine gas (this in a region that has $130-160/month service.) They would drive up, blow an unknown amount of chlorine gas into the pool, throw in 3 pounds of baking soda and drive off. The low PH ate up the plaster and, during the hottest seasons, the chlorine would be zero before they came again.

With federal permitting being tighter those same companies now use hydrochloric acid. In Texas the water may be 90 degrees and weak shock wont hold for long so they just dump in about 4 gallons of it and walk away.
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Postby chem geek » Thu 29 Jan, 2009 12:11

There's a pool service in Arizona, Nevada, Texas and southern California called Pool Chlor and they use mostly chlorine gas without the problems you mention (as far as I know -- do you know which pool service it was that had the problems you have seen?), but they test the chemistry and dose known amounts. Their pools have high CYA of around 100 ppm which helps keep the chlorine from breaking down as quickly in the intense hot desert sun. They typically dose up to around 14 ppm FC and a week later the FC has dropped to around 4 ppm so this is sufficient to prevent algae growth and is a range of active chlorine that doesn't irritate. 14 ppm FC with 100 ppm CYA has the same active chlorine concentration as 4 ppm FC with 30 ppm CYA. As for pH control, they just have a higher Total Alkalinity (TA) level, usually around 120-140 ppm. Even with 120 ppm TA and 100 ppm CYA, going from 4 ppm FC to 14 ppm FC using chlorine gas lowers the pH from 7.5 to 7.2 or from 7.7 to 7.34. The pH then rises slowly over the week as carbon dioxide is outgassed (TA is a mostly a measure of the over-carbonation of the water). In 15,000 gallons, one would need to add about 5 cups (about 3 pounds) of baking soda to maintain the TA level over the week (the TA would drop by about 15 ppm over a week due to the combination of outgassing, which raises pH, and chlorine usage, which is acidic and lowers pH and TA). So using chlorine gas can work very effectively IF you know what you are doing. As with anything else, if you don't know what you are doing, serious problems can occur.

I think you meant "chlorinating liquid" or "sodium hypochlorite" instead of hydrochloric acid. The latter, usually known as Muriatic Acid, is used to lower pH and is not a source of chlorine. Chlorinating liquid is just a more concentrated form of bleach -- both are sodium hypochlorite. It's what I use in my own pool and I have very stable pH because the rise in pH from any hypochlorite source of chlorine is compensated by the pH drop as the chlorine gets used up since the latter is an acidic process. By the way, 4 gallons of 12.5% chlorinating liquid in a 15,000 gallon pool would raise the FC by 33 ppm. Hopefully they are only using that amount of chlorine in a much larger 30,000 gallon pool.

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Postby lonestar » Fri 30 Jan, 2009 11:36

Thanks for the correction. Sodium hypochlorite is the sanitizer they now use. None of these jokers in Houston/austin area have permits for chlorine gas anymore, so I wouldnt use my judgments against anyone who still has a permit as I know nothing of their practices.

And yes, Ive heard from many homeowners that they dose the pools that heavily (several gallons a week in an average size pool.) This would be the only way to do it using liquid chlorine, however, as water temperatures go above 90 degrees here in the summer.

Im not trying to be negative either. In many markets pool service is so lucrative that someone starting out could afford to charge way below the going rate and still make much more money than if they worked under someone else. I still have some pools which are way under market value, but the customers pay on time, the pools are fairly new equipment and the economy has some people worried so I'm leaving them alone.
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Postby XtremelyTropical » Wed 04 Mar, 2009 17:16

I saw an ad for $65 as well. Thanks for the tips. I'll be sure to check out their "methods" before i hire anyone.

If i asked them for a list of their happy customers as references they should be able to provide one, right? (just making sure i wouldn't be asking too much here :crazy: )
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Postby Larry » Wed 04 Mar, 2009 17:23

When it comes to your health and the health of your family I think asking for details and references is not unreasonable.

If you don't get real answers there must be something wrong and you should be suspicious.

By the way I really like the look of your palms. I was surprised to see that they could stand up to such high winds.

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Postby XtremelyTropical » Fri 06 Mar, 2009 11:32

I agree. I'll try to get list from them when i meet with someone.

on the palms -Thanks! We've made them 26'. made with all steel so they are strong. that pic on our site showed them in 80+ mph winds.
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Postby Larry » Fri 06 Mar, 2009 14:12

I wouldn't have imagined that a 1.5" core would support that size structure under such high wind loads.

The mind boggles

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Postby XtremelyTropical » Mon 09 Mar, 2009 11:27

I think maybe you should call the the $65.00 company find out what "full service" is then contact one of the others and find out what their "full service" is then compare.
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Postby Guest » Tue 10 Mar, 2009 07:13

Let us know the outcome.

I'm real curious now... you have been looking into this for some time already.

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