brown stains on bottom (pebble tec)
brown stains on bottom (pebble tec)
I woke up yesterday and had a few stains on the bottom of my pool, now today they have multiplied. It almost looks like rust stains. They will not brush out. The pool is clear but has a high PH. Can anyone tell me what it is and how to get rid of it?
Stain on vinyl liner
I have the same problem. Have you had anyone give you any help?
rust stains
Could be algae - need to get an algaecide and liquid chlorine, brush the pool real good, put algaecide and liquid chlorine in then let fi;ter run until pool water is clear.
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I work for a major pool builder and see this issue every day.
What you are describing is what is known as Dirt Scale.
Basically, a thin layer of calcium buildup has trapped the dirt on the surface of the pool. This is the reason you cannot brush it away. It's sort of like painting a coat of polyurethane over a spot of dirt on the wall. Unless you break down that calcium buildup, that dirt is not going to go away.
Most people only pay attention to how clear the water looks. If the water is clear, the water chemistry is good. It's not as simple as that, but it is easy.
If you don't already have one, get to your pool supply store and purchase a chemical test kit. The test strips will work, but if you want a more accurate test result, get a kit that includes the drops.
Once you have a test kit, you will want to test the water at least 2-3 times a week. The most important things to pay attention to are PH, Total Alkalinity and Hardness. It is important to keep the PH around 7.2-7.6 to avoid the buildup your seeing.
BTW, there is a very simply way to get rid of that scale. It will take some time but it will work if you put the time and effort into it. All you need to do is drop your PH level to about 6.8-7.0 and BRUSH BRUSH BRUSH. Test the water even more frequently during the process. Like I said, you probably won't notice any improvement right away, but over the course of a few weeks, it will start to fade away.
If you want a "quick fix", you can contact a pool service company (one who knows what they are doing) and they can drain the pool and do an acid wash which will do the same thing as the first method, only faster.
Good Luck!
What you are describing is what is known as Dirt Scale.
Basically, a thin layer of calcium buildup has trapped the dirt on the surface of the pool. This is the reason you cannot brush it away. It's sort of like painting a coat of polyurethane over a spot of dirt on the wall. Unless you break down that calcium buildup, that dirt is not going to go away.
Most people only pay attention to how clear the water looks. If the water is clear, the water chemistry is good. It's not as simple as that, but it is easy.
If you don't already have one, get to your pool supply store and purchase a chemical test kit. The test strips will work, but if you want a more accurate test result, get a kit that includes the drops.
Once you have a test kit, you will want to test the water at least 2-3 times a week. The most important things to pay attention to are PH, Total Alkalinity and Hardness. It is important to keep the PH around 7.2-7.6 to avoid the buildup your seeing.
BTW, there is a very simply way to get rid of that scale. It will take some time but it will work if you put the time and effort into it. All you need to do is drop your PH level to about 6.8-7.0 and BRUSH BRUSH BRUSH. Test the water even more frequently during the process. Like I said, you probably won't notice any improvement right away, but over the course of a few weeks, it will start to fade away.
If you want a "quick fix", you can contact a pool service company (one who knows what they are doing) and they can drain the pool and do an acid wash which will do the same thing as the first method, only faster.
Good Luck!
pool stains
We are experiencing a similar problem.
I was very happy to find that someone had experience with these stubborn stains.
The folks at our local Leslie's have sold us over $150 worth of chemicals, but the stains remain.
I am a little confused about the ph levels you recommended. First you said to keep them at one level, but then suggested lowering the level when scrubbing the stains? Can you clarify? And thanks.
I was very happy to find that someone had experience with these stubborn stains.
The folks at our local Leslie's have sold us over $150 worth of chemicals, but the stains remain.
I am a little confused about the ph levels you recommended. First you said to keep them at one level, but then suggested lowering the level when scrubbing the stains? Can you clarify? And thanks.
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You should keep your PH levels at 7.2-7.6 for your normal every-day maintenance.
The lower level I suggested is only to remove the scale deposits.
If you keep the PH this low all the time, the water will start to "eat" at the finish and the finish will develop what is known as Spot Etching. This is not reversible and causes permanent damage to the surface.
The lower level I suggested is only to remove the scale deposits.
If you keep the PH this low all the time, the water will start to "eat" at the finish and the finish will develop what is known as Spot Etching. This is not reversible and causes permanent damage to the surface.
jtbFLA wrote:What happens if you don't lower the Ph but just keep brushing - will they eventually go away but take longer?
Also, how long does it take for "Mustard Algea" to disappear after an Algeacide is introduced into the pool?
The best way to get rid of mustard algea is to shock your pool. I like to shock them up to 20 ppm(chlorine) until the algea is gone. check your water daily to keep the shock level high until the algea goes away. I like to use liquid chlorine. Its much more effective then the packets of "shock". Also make sure your other levels a up to par. Hope that helps
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No, you don't use acid to wash a vinyl pool. You can use acid in the water to lower pH but not as an acid wash like you can with a plaster pool.
With a vinyl pool you don't want your pH to be lower than 7.0 and should keep it at 7.2 or above.
If your chlorine is low raise it with liquid chlorine - this should also raise your pH a little. Whereas the powder shocks will lower your pH.
So, bring your chlorine up to shock level, brush the stain.
With a vinyl pool you don't want your pH to be lower than 7.0 and should keep it at 7.2 or above.
If your chlorine is low raise it with liquid chlorine - this should also raise your pH a little. Whereas the powder shocks will lower your pH.
So, bring your chlorine up to shock level, brush the stain.
what can be done for stining once the pool is up and running
when my pool was opened i noticed the staining (brownish, metallic looking). i asked my pool service what had happened. they said it was the water. i guess there is a lot of minerals in my local water and it can stain the pol. is there any way to get rid of it other tahn acid washing? also it is worse around the edges of the pool, particularly where the water is being recycled. all of my chemicals are perfect and the water is crystal clera. i hate having to explain to people that the water is fine.
any suggestions.
thanks
any suggestions.
thanks
metal stains
I recently got rid of a stained pool liner by adding Ascorbic Adic ($60-)bought at Leslies. Someone else told me that I could get cheap vitamin C pills in a Target or Kmart for just a few bucks. Will the pills be just as effective? If so how would I apply in pool? You guessed it, my liner stained again, just not as bad and this is only 3 weeks later. Whats up with that???
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FYI: You can buy Ascorbic Acid (Vitamin C) in bulk from The Chemistry Store.
This sounds like what I have been fighting with my water, and I have Iron in the water.
It sounds like you got staining again because you did not get a metal sequesterent added to the water, I just used the cheap hth metal control from walmart, a double dose, and dropped my PH to 7.0. I also couldn't find absorbic acid so I used a Bioguard product called Stain Remover from the pool store, it cost 22 bucks. I ended up with beautiful crystal clear water. I had to vacuum the bottom of the pool though, from the rust that had already fallen out of the Iron water. I am no expert, just using advise from forums like this:)
It sounds like you got staining again because you did not get a metal sequesterent added to the water, I just used the cheap hth metal control from walmart, a double dose, and dropped my PH to 7.0. I also couldn't find absorbic acid so I used a Bioguard product called Stain Remover from the pool store, it cost 22 bucks. I ended up with beautiful crystal clear water. I had to vacuum the bottom of the pool though, from the rust that had already fallen out of the Iron water. I am no expert, just using advise from forums like this:)
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