Please Help - Extremely Green Pool!!! No Progress

Algae problems in swimming pool water.
Green (cloudy) water or slimy pool walls.
Black algae. Mustard algae. Pink or white pool mold.
sptygl
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Please Help - Extremely Green Pool!!! No Progress

Postby sptygl » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 00:29

HELP - PLEASE!!!
I have approx a 20,000 gallon inground pool, 8-10 ft at the deep end. I have a neighbor's tree that is a HUGE problem most of the year (leaves and debri that cause many problems). The leaves in the pool are residual from months AND MONTHS ago, I thought I retrieved most of the leaves from the deep end, but there still are some!!! Today I scooped out what I was able to... it seems to be almost black leaves, and soot that is almost black dirt (using leaf net). Oh, and I am sure the main drain in the deep end is covered by most of that soot and leaves, so it probably isn't functioning much at the moment.

So I had my water tested by pool store, they told me to put 7 gallons of chlorine in, 1/2 the container of algaecide, and each time I change the filter, I am suppose to put 7 large scoops of DE. I have been changing the filter and cleaning it out entirely almost every 2-3 days (which I think is A LOT!!!). Each time I changed the filter, I would add atleast 5 gallons of more chlorine and another 1/2 container (quart?)of algaecide. Is that too much chlorine, and how can I get this clear??

It was a swampy green, very dark, and now it is several shades lighter... a musty green, but nowhere near clear, and I cannot at all see the bottom, even in the shallow end, I can't even see the steps!!!

At this point, I am being told so many different stories from various people on how to clean my pool. I have spent so much money on chemicals - have already gone through 2 -25lbs of chlorine granules and an entire gallon of algaecide.

Initially, when I came across the swampy green... trying to clean it up, I WAS NOT brushing the pool at all, so I understand that may have been part of the problem. I also have not manually vacuumed, because I was told to wait on that until I can get the pool clearer. It just seems I am breaking down that filter several days a week, and manually cleaning it out and dumping the water (rinsing the filter leaves clear, etc), then on top of that... each time I clean the filter, I have to put 7 more cupfuls of DE in!!

How often do I need to clean the filter, how much and how often do I put chlorine in(while it is this green)?? I am not able to backwash because the lever broke off, so I just open up the filter, lift it out and use the hose to clean, then I use a bucket to get the rest of the water out from the basin!!! I know this is a lot of work, but the lever broke so I don't know what else to do in the meantime. The suction was set between the pool and spa, and now I switched it over to the pool (is that right?)

Today, I switched from the granules to 2 packages of shock (each is for 18.75 gallons) and I again changed filter, skimmer and pump basket, I also brushed and tried to get leaves out. It is very deep so whatever is down the deep end is very heavy, and I have trouble even pushing it with the net.

I tried to send pics of the pool, leaves-and black debri, but it says the file is too big

Sorry for the long message.... PLEASE HELP!! I AM DESPERATE TO FIX THIS, IT HAS BEEN A MESS FOR A WHILE, I DON'T HAVE MOSQUITOS LARVA, BUT IT IS PRETTY GREEN. THANKS SO MUCH!!!!! :) :) :) :) :>


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Postby Denali » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 02:53

sptygl wrote:HELP - PLEASE!!!
I have approx a 20,000 gallon inground pool, 8-10 ft at the deep end. I have a neighbor's tree that is a HUGE problem most of the year (leaves and debri that cause many problems). The leaves in the pool are residual from months AND MONTHS ago, I thought I retrieved most of the leaves from the deep end, but there still are some!!! Today I scooped out what I was able to... it seems to be almost black leaves, and soot that is almost black dirt (using leaf net). Oh, and I am sure the main drain in the deep end is covered by most of that soot and leaves, so it probably isn't functioning much at the moment.

So I had my water tested by pool store, they told me to put 7 gallons of chlorine in, 1/2 the container of algaecide, and each time I change the filter, I am suppose to put 7 large scoops of DE. I have been changing the filter and cleaning it out entirely almost every 2-3 days (which I think is A LOT!!!). Each time I changed the filter, I would add atleast 5 gallons of more chlorine and another 1/2 container (quart?)of algaecide. Is that too much chlorine, and how can I get this clear??

It was a swampy green, very dark, and now it is several shades lighter... a musty green, but nowhere near clear, and I cannot at all see the bottom, even in the shallow end, I can't even see the steps!!!

At this point, I am being told so many different stories from various people on how to clean my pool. I have spent so much money on chemicals - have already gone through 2 -25lbs of chlorine granules and an entire gallon of algaecide.

Initially, when I came across the swampy green... trying to clean it up, I WAS NOT brushing the pool at all, so I understand that may have been part of the problem. I also have not manually vacuumed, because I was told to wait on that until I can get the pool clearer. It just seems I am breaking down that filter several days a week, and manually cleaning it out and dumping the water (rinsing the filter leaves clear, etc), then on top of that... each time I clean the filter, I have to put 7 more cupfuls of DE in!!

How often do I need to clean the filter, how much and how often do I put chlorine in(while it is this green)?? I am not able to backwash because the lever broke off, so I just open up the filter, lift it out and use the hose to clean, then I use a bucket to get the rest of the water out from the basin!!! I know this is a lot of work, but the lever broke so I don't know what else to do in the meantime. The suction was set between the pool and spa, and now I switched it over to the pool (is that right?)

Today, I switched from the granules to 2 packages of shock (each is for 18.75 gallons) and I again changed filter, skimmer and pump basket, I also brushed and tried to get leaves out. It is very deep so whatever is down the deep end is very heavy, and I have trouble even pushing it with the net.

I tried to send pics of the pool, leaves-and black debri, but it says the file is too big

Sorry for the long message.... PLEASE HELP!! I AM DESPERATE TO FIX THIS, IT HAS BEEN A MESS FOR A WHILE, I DON'T HAVE MOSQUITOS LARVA, BUT IT IS PRETTY GREEN. THANKS SO MUCH!!!!! :) :) :) :) :>


Hi,

Best to take this one area at a time.

First, the leaves. I have a pool surrounded by trees so I know what you're dealing with. When they sit long enough they start to decompose. Yuck! Scooping them out with a net is one way and it build muscles! lol

Another way is using what is called a leaf eater. It connects to your pole and garden hose. Has a bag on top and it uses the water pressure from the hose to vacuum the leaves into the bag. They cost about $30-40. Handy to have around.

First thing chemically is to get a full workup of the chemical balance of your water. If you have a good test kit you can use that or have it done at a pool store (normally done for free). Once we know the levels in your pool we can figure where you need to keep the FC (free chlorine) level at to kill the algae.

Your filter: You said it was a Pentair. Would you get and post the model that you have? Is the backwash valve built into the bottom of the filter? The filter will need frequent cleaning but would be easier if you were able to backwash instead of taking apart and cleaning. You do have to reload the filter with DE every time it is cleaned.

The suction should be set for pool, yes.

I know this can all be overwhelming but just take it step by step and you'll get there. I'll check back to see if you get the filter model and the chemical levels and we can take it from there.
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Please Help - Extremely Green Pool!!! No Progress

Postby sptygl » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 04:56

thank you so much for responding!!! here it is 2am in the morning, and I am still obsessing over this. I just went out to look at the filter, so I can get the model, and thought I could change the timer (I need it to run 24/7, but still do not know how to move it - lol). And, yes, the leaves at the bottom have decomposed and are like a muck!! yuck :( I did start scooping out earlier today w net, which has been difficult to actually get INTO the net because how much it has decomposed... it is almost like a muddy texture now. Also, the leaf eater I had, blew into the deep end several months ago when we had a windy rain storm (rare for Los Angeles!!)

Ok, so the filter system is a Pentair FDS Plus, working w DE filtration system.
I think the model is P/N 190029

I have pictures of everything, but this site won't let me load them (too big?) I want to make sure the filter is running 24/7 but I couldn't figure out how to change the timer. (sorry, I have several handicaps at the moment!)

I have a pool test kit, but am not sure if I am reading it right. I tested it after I put 2 packages of super shock in, and the ph level was 7.2, but the chlorine still didn't look like it read much - mayber .5?? I will try to get to the pool store tomorrow to get an accurate listing of everything.

Now what??? :)
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Please Help - Extremely Green Pool!!! No Progress

Postby sptygl » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 05:05

thanks Denali!!

IT would be great if I didn't have to clean the filter out manually every time, because taking it apart and cleaning it is a big job. The back wash valve is in front of the filter and there is a lever you twist, either you are suppose to push down and turn, or pull up and turn. I have never known how to do that, and now that I realized a couple weeks ago that I can backwash rather than take the entire thing apart everytime... I tried to do that. The lever kept turning, and I realized the lever was no longer attached and snapped off.

So, I just continued to break apart the whole filter and clean manually, which I hate!! I do reload the DE each time to the filter. There is the valve on top of the filter as well, which I don't know what function it has besides reading the gage and letting out some of the air as it starts. If I leave it on longer as the filter starts up, then water will come out,.... but that isn't part of the backwashing is it??

see, I told you... I am clueless here!!! :) thanks for your patience!!!
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Postby Denali » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 05:23

sptygl wrote:thank you so much for responding!!! here it is 2am in the morning, and I am still obsessing over this. I just went out to look at the filter, so I can get the model, and thought I could change the timer (I need it to run 24/7, but still do not know how to move it - lol). And, yes, the leaves at the bottom have decomposed and are like a muck!! yuck :( I did start scooping out earlier today w net, which has been difficult to actually get INTO the net because how much it has decomposed... it is almost like a muddy texture now. Also, the leaf eater I had, blew into the deep end several months ago when we had a windy rain storm (rare for Los Angeles!!)

Ok, so the filter system is a Pentair FDS Plus, working w DE filtration system.
I think the model is P/N 190029

I have pictures of everything, but this site won't let me load them (too big?) I want to make sure the filter is running 24/7 but I couldn't figure out how to change the timer. (sorry, I have several handicaps at the moment!)

I have a pool test kit, but am not sure if I am reading it right. I tested it after I put 2 packages of super shock in, and the ph level was 7.2, but the chlorine still didn't look like it read much - mayber .5?? I will try to get to the pool store tomorrow to get an accurate listing of everything.

Now what??? :)


Hello again,

Ok, you still have 3 areas. Leaves out of the pool, full testing of chemical balance and fixing the BW valve.

Is your leaf eater still at the bottom of the deep end somewhere? Worth trying to get it out and setting it up. Makes getting those lovely leaves out.

Get tested at the pool store and then post the numbers here.

The BW valve sounds like a slide valve. Turn and pull straight up, right? You can pick up a replacement handle for it if the shaft of the valve itself didn't break. The valve on top of the filter is not a part of the BW system. It does exactly what you described.

Look at the BW valve before going to the pool store. You should see how the handle connects to the shaft. Bring the old handle in with you and get another one. Get a tube of whatever lube they sell (magic lube or something like that). Inside the BW valve there are 2 orings on the shafts that need lubing from time to time.

I think that covers it for now. Getting the leaves out is a pain but needs doing to really get started on this.
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Postby sptygl » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 14:59

I wasn't able to upload pics, so I took pics of everything, which you will find here....
http://s631.photobucket.com/albums/uu34/sptygl/

I am running to pool store to get exact details on chlorine etc... so I will post as soon as I return.
I have not been able to figure out how to adjust the automatic timer for 24/7. I thought I should do this for a couple days while trying to clean it out. The timer goes on at 12am at night and turns off by the 11 am I think. I am not exactly sure how to read it. After it turned off this morning, I manually turned it back on for another rotation. It doesn't look any clearer today yet. I have been brushing the sides and trying to net up what I can, which is difficult because of the decomposing of what's left on the bottom... it is black leaves and soot. I managed to get only the cloth net from the leaf eater (the eater is still on the bottom - somewhere!) It is tough to push this stuff and actually get it into the net!!

Should I add more chemicals today?? and when should I again clean out the entire filter (pain to do this!!), because I can't figure out the discharge thing.... Oh - and I will also bring lever that snapped off from discharge valve to pool store - see what their thoughts are, plus I have pictures.

Ok, please let me know your thoughts!!! thanks so much!!
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Postby Denali » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 15:27

sptygl wrote:I wasn't able to upload pics, so I took pics of everything, which you will find here....
http://s631.photobucket.com/albums/uu34/sptygl/

I am running to pool store to get exact details on chlorine etc... so I will post as soon as I return.
I have not been able to figure out how to adjust the automatic timer for 24/7. I thought I should do this for a couple days while trying to clean it out. The timer goes on at 12am at night and turns off by the 11 am I think. I am not exactly sure how to read it. After it turned off this morning, I manually turned it back on for another rotation. It doesn't look any clearer today yet. I have been brushing the sides and trying to net up what I can, which is difficult because of the decomposing of what's left on the bottom... it is black leaves and soot. I managed to get only the cloth net from the leaf eater (the eater is still on the bottom - somewhere!) It is tough to push this stuff and actually get it into the net!!

Should I add more chemicals today?? and when should I again clean out the entire filter (pain to do this!!), because I can't figure out the discharge thing.... Oh - and I will also bring lever that snapped off from discharge valve to pool store - see what their thoughts are, plus I have pictures.

Ok, please let me know your thoughts!!! thanks so much!!



Hi,

I didn't see a broken backwash valve. I did see a broken manifold (the white plastic thing that the grids go into). Is that what you've been talking about? Either way, that has to be replaced or you'll never get the pool cleared.

On the time clock there are two trippers. They are held on with a screw. Remove the gold one and the equipment will run 24/7 once you start it.

I'll send this just in case you're still around.
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Please Help - Extremely Green Pool!!! No Progress

Postby sptygl » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 17:24

thanks for the response. yes the broken lever (from the backwash valve) is in the pictures. One picture has it on, then I removed it (as it was not longer actually attached, it was just sitting on top). I am not able to backwash because the lever won't turn either way and like I said, it is no longer even attached.

the broken piece on the filter (manifold) is a crack on top, but the pool store said that wouldn't effect the running of the filter as the leaves and everything else are intact and not ripped.

the pool store said they can't read the chlorine levels, etc .... because they are "throught the roof" and not even registering. The guy said that I put 'too much" chlorine in and now it has bleached itself out. I don't understand this bc my pool is STILL green. When would I again put chemicals in it then?? last week, I had been putting 4-6 gallons every couple days, with algaecide. I am just confused by what this pool store told me

So if I can't turn the backwash valve, do I have to CONSTANTLY keep cleaning out the entire filter and rinsing it out and how often.

I also was asking you if the levers were in the right place, for discharge and suction. (see pics)
thanks so much for your help, I can't afford a pool guy right now, and I am trying to do the best I can to clean this up my self (and I am a woman, so it is tough to manage as the equipment is heavy and my knowledge is minimum in this area). The only thing I KNOW how to do (now) is dissemble the filter and clean it out completely.

THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE.... your help is greatly appreciated.
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Postby Denali » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 21:57

sptygl wrote:thanks for the response. yes the broken lever (from the backwash valve) is in the pictures. One picture has it on, then I removed it (as it was not longer actually attached, it was just sitting on top). I am not able to backwash because the lever won't turn either way and like I said, it is no longer even attached.

the broken piece on the filter (manifold) is a crack on top, but the pool store said that wouldn't effect the running of the filter as the leaves and everything else are intact and not ripped.

the pool store said they can't read the chlorine levels, etc .... because they are "throught the roof" and not even registering. The guy said that I put 'too much" chlorine in and now it has bleached itself out. I don't understand this bc my pool is STILL green. When would I again put chemicals in it then?? last week, I had been putting 4-6 gallons every couple days, with algaecide. I am just confused by what this pool store told me

So if I can't turn the backwash valve, do I have to CONSTANTLY keep cleaning out the entire filter and rinsing it out and how often.

I also was asking you if the levers were in the right place, for discharge and suction. (see pics)
thanks so much for your help, I can't afford a pool guy right now, and I am trying to do the best I can to clean this up my self (and I am a woman, so it is tough to manage as the equipment is heavy and my knowledge is minimum in this area). The only thing I KNOW how to do (now) is dissemble the filter and clean it out completely.

THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE.... your help is greatly appreciated.


If the pool store can't read the chlorine level then they aren't using a good enough test kit that can read high levels of chlorine. The average kit will only read up to 5ppm. Shock levels are much higher than that.

Unless you get the backwash valve fixed you're stuck taking the filter apart. If you can get some closeup pics of the valve and where it broke perhaps I can give some advice on fixing it.

About the discharge and suction valves: I can't tell where the suction valve is set. You want it pulling all from the pool side. Turn it all the way to one side and see if you have suction at the skimmer. If not, turn it all the way in the opposite direction. The discharge valve is fine the way it is. Some water returns to the spa and some to the pool. This way the spa gets filtered water and chemicals.
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Postby Denali » Sun 07 Jun, 2009 21:59

Just reread your original post. What type of algaecide are you using?

Also, did you bring the manifold into the pool store or just a pic of it? Sure looks like a large hole in it. Perhaps I'm not seeing it clearly.

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