Pool walls brownish orange all over?

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kturner
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My Pool: new 14x31 fiberglass pool sand filter with pentair
chlorine generator model ic20.Chlorine will not
register when tested it shows salt content is good
water test showed no calcium water is very clear.
I am at a loss with this please help.
Location: arkansas

Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby kturner » Sun 01 Aug, 2010 08:34

Pool walls brown orange color?
Newbie here so this is it i have pool one year old and i have been fighting these stains below
the water line for three months.The only thing that will remove them is Pool stain treat or
jacks magic product.They come back everytime then i noticed a few days ago that my ic 20 swg
is runing directly into pool heater then out to the pool.I called rheem and they said thats wrong
and so did Pentair,but the heater is made mostly of titanium.Heater manufacture still said
it could be a problem with a couple of parts not titanium,and there is some copper tubing
i see also.So i called pool installer he of course dont see how it will make any diffirence at all
the way he did it was a quicker job.My pool water test is dead on except fc my 1c 20 is keeping
up cya is 30 to 50 range.Any ideas on these stains?


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Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby floridapooltech » Mon 09 Aug, 2010 01:33

What you have is the salt generating chlorine which is being pushed concentrated through the thin copper pipes in your expensive pool heater. As this concentrated chlorine is pushed through the pipes, it is breaking down the composition sending the copper filled water into your pool. If you have some sort of proof your installer did the work which i'm sure you have, I would be filing a claim, having someone or him move your salt cell to the last stop before the returns of the pool after ALL other equipment (just like what's in the instructions), then also billing him for all the necessary repairs to your heater since he decided to do a "quicker" job. Sometimes, the slower job is the right job.
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kturner
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My Pool: new 14x31 fiberglass pool sand filter with pentair
chlorine generator model ic20.Chlorine will not
register when tested it shows salt content is good
water test showed no calcium water is very clear.
I am at a loss with this please help.
Location: arkansas

Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby kturner » Fri 13 Aug, 2010 10:39

Well he did fix it but I wonder if it eventually clear it up also would copper stains be this color.I. Really am at a loss with this since May get rid of the stains back again in a week or less.I have used five bottles if sequester should it be keeping metals from coming out of sequester.cya 50 Fc 3 ph 7.2 Akly 120 show no metals at all yet absorbic acid is only thing that removes it
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Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby floridapooltech » Fri 13 Aug, 2010 10:45

kturner wrote:Well he did fix it but I wonder if it eventually clear it up also would copper stains be this color.I. Really am at a loss with this since May get rid of the stains back again in a week or less.I have used five bottles if sequester should it be keeping metals from coming out of sequester.cya 50 Fc 3 ph 7.2 Akly 120 show no metals at all yet absorbic acid is only thing that removes it


Your pool is in perfect balance! Basically, you can remove the stains, yet they come back in less than a week in the same locations?
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kturner
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Joined: Sat 11 Jul, 2009 12:53
My Pool: new 14x31 fiberglass pool sand filter with pentair
chlorine generator model ic20.Chlorine will not
register when tested it shows salt content is good
water test showed no calcium water is very clear.
I am at a loss with this please help.
Location: arkansas

Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby kturner » Fri 13 Aug, 2010 13:20

Yes walls steps
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Postby floridapooltech » Fri 13 Aug, 2010 13:27

I know this isn't what you would want to hear...but the contractor you had do this install screwed up the heater coils and this is why the copper keeps coming back into the pool. A sequestering agent will clear it up, however, since the coils are so badly damaged, the copper will just constantly return into the pool until their is nothing left of the coils. My recommendation is you call the contractor and he needs to bring you a completely NEW heater to replace the one he damaged due to his negligent, and faulty install.
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kturner
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My Pool: new 14x31 fiberglass pool sand filter with pentair
chlorine generator model ic20.Chlorine will not
register when tested it shows salt content is good
water test showed no calcium water is very clear.
I am at a loss with this please help.
Location: arkansas

Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby kturner » Fri 13 Aug, 2010 14:38

I thought copper stains were purple or greenish color? The heater still looks perfect on inside and the exchanger is made of titanium could to much salt cause a problem?idk maybe I am being too anal about it but 35,000 is a lot of money to have stains.
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Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby floridapooltech » Fri 13 Aug, 2010 14:51

kturner wrote:I thought copper stains were purple or greenish color? The heater still looks perfect on inside and the exchanger is made of titanium could to much salt cause a problem?idk maybe I am being too anal about it but 35,000 is a lot of money to have stains.



A few questions to diagnose this accurately...How big are the stains? Are you using city or well water? What are the results from a metal test at the local pool store, and also what is your TDS?

Also, copper stains can be purplish in color, however they can show up brown too (darker).
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kturner
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Posts: 29
Joined: Sat 11 Jul, 2009 12:53
My Pool: new 14x31 fiberglass pool sand filter with pentair
chlorine generator model ic20.Chlorine will not
register when tested it shows salt content is good
water test showed no calcium water is very clear.
I am at a loss with this please help.
Location: arkansas

Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby kturner » Fri 13 Aug, 2010 15:08

The water is city the stains they cover the entire walls they are not spots and I noticed today. Its mainly the side of the water flow.The other side actually looks good and my metal test showed zero both times and TDS was in Ok range but dent remember the number.Right now they look like a light tea color the would stain a white cup.They have been darker than this and I guess could get darker over time.I done a Super stain treat by United Chemical 10 days ago
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Pool walls brownish orange all over?

Postby floridapooltech » Fri 13 Aug, 2010 15:19

kturner wrote:The water is city the stains they cover the entire walls they are not spots and I noticed today. Its mainly the side of the water flow.The other side actually looks good and my metal test showed zero both times and TDS was in Ok range but dent remember the number.Right now they look like a light tea color the would stain a white cup.They have been darker than this and I guess could get darker over time.I done a Super stain treat by United Chemical 10 days ago


I would say to test for phosphates as they can cause staining, however, you said it's only on the wall where the jet's are pointed at telling me one of two things:

1: The heater is bad and metals are collecting on that entire surface including the steps
OR
2: The pool finish is bad

Both of which, the builder will have to come out and fix since your entire pool is still under his warranty.
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