So last night I probably dumped about a quart of DE in my pool like a clown. I contacted my pool guy, and he tested the water and sent me these notes:
Ok. I just tested for ph and chlorine. I ran out of the alkalinity test (i use a liquid test).
Ph was 7.0. And chlorine was very low.
(I mentioned that I discovered we are using Bromine tablets and a “Brominator”.
I’ll add 3 lbs of the shock.
And and add my own ph rise and alkalinity. I’ll leave the rest with you.
(I mentioned that the chlorine seemed to be one level that I was able to get into the ok zone, and it seemed be getting higher and shut off the brominator.)
Ok. I’ll turned the brominator on to 2
Added one lb of shock. 2.5 lbs of ph rise and 5 lbs of the alkalinity plus.
I left the rest of the ph and alkalinity in the garage
So I’m excited to see where everything ends ups. It sounds like the alkalinity / PH plus is something that will help us keep the PH and Chlorine balanced and not all peaks and valleys.
I have so much to learn.
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I raised the level to see just how high the pool will continue holding water. I talked to my pool guy about potentially slapping the rest of the tile on as a temporary fix to kick the $10-18,000 down the road a bit more. It’s a real possibility.
He has also been coming by trying to get my PH and alkalinity up.
This is a Bromine pool, or at least it’s got a brominator and bunch of tablets in a bucket labeled bromine. So it sounds like I stick with that even though I can shock it with Chlorine. I’m learning.
Very pleased with how it’s looking.
I scrubbed the walls a little today. I was in the water doing so, and it felt so good on this hot day.
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He has also been coming by trying to get my PH and alkalinity up.
This is a Bromine pool, or at least it’s got a brominator and bunch of tablets in a bucket labeled bromine. So it sounds like I stick with that even though I can shock it with Chlorine. I’m learning.
Very pleased with how it’s looking.
I scrubbed the walls a little today. I was in the water doing so, and it felt so good on this hot day.
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Pool is able to be enjoyed with usable bromine chemical levels, but…
I keep forgetting and leaving the waste valve of fill (hose) valve open like an idiot. I need a smarter system or at least knobs that aren’t gate valve knobs that don’t let me know they are open by just looking at them.
There are 17-19 missing tiles on the one end of the pool and various places water can clearly get behind the tile. I am going to do a temporary fix to not have to drain the pool in peak season. My pool guy is awesome and doesn’t seem to have a philosophical issue with doing the temporary fix. We need to do it to protect the pool though, and it also sucks when chunks of plaster (or god forbid concrete) falls into the pool with the splashing and enjoyment. [img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210716/7def654e25d04aded0514198257a840b.jpg[/img]
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I need to have a moment of silence for our frog that somehow ended up in the pre-pump basket.
I don’t think that I sucked him off the floor or left the skimmer basket off. So maybe he got past the grid on the side intake pipe. I’m guessing there was really nothing we could have done about that besides maybe not running the pump at night (when I assume it put less burden on the grid), or maybe adding a larger diffuser with smaller holes on the side intake.
Oh. My flapper also gets stuck on the skimmer and I need to fix that problem. It causes air to get sucked in when. The skimmer runs. That sucks, pun intended.
I keep forgetting and leaving the waste valve of fill (hose) valve open like an idiot. I need a smarter system or at least knobs that aren’t gate valve knobs that don’t let me know they are open by just looking at them.
There are 17-19 missing tiles on the one end of the pool and various places water can clearly get behind the tile. I am going to do a temporary fix to not have to drain the pool in peak season. My pool guy is awesome and doesn’t seem to have a philosophical issue with doing the temporary fix. We need to do it to protect the pool though, and it also sucks when chunks of plaster (or god forbid concrete) falls into the pool with the splashing and enjoyment. [img]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210716/7def654e25d04aded0514198257a840b.jpg[/img]
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I need to have a moment of silence for our frog that somehow ended up in the pre-pump basket.
I don’t think that I sucked him off the floor or left the skimmer basket off. So maybe he got past the grid on the side intake pipe. I’m guessing there was really nothing we could have done about that besides maybe not running the pump at night (when I assume it put less burden on the grid), or maybe adding a larger diffuser with smaller holes on the side intake.
Oh. My flapper also gets stuck on the skimmer and I need to fix that problem. It causes air to get sucked in when. The skimmer runs. That sucks, pun intended.
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Edit7/17/2021 it looks like I attempted to start a thread here with no action.
https://www.poolhelpforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=45814
Lawn guys on the second mow for some reason blew tons of leaves and debris into the pool today. I guess this is one way to make sure I’m filtering the water well. It’s going to take a while for this to be cleaned up. The fence is shedding paint, and lots of the black paint chips are all over the bottom. I will see what the robot can handle before getting out the vacuum for the bottom.
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Lawn guys on the second mow for some reason blew tons of leaves and debris into the pool today. I guess this is one way to make sure I’m filtering the water well. It’s going to take a while for this to be cleaned up. The fence is shedding paint, and lots of the black paint chips are all over the bottom. I will see what the robot can handle before getting out the vacuum for the bottom.
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I had my pool guy help close the pool in the fall. (He went to high school with me and worked with his dad’s business, but his dad sadly died at the beginning of COVID, so he’s working mostly alone now, trying to wind down the business to spend more time with his kids). He had a helper and they sucked out about 2 feet of water, pulled all the plugs, and put some anti-freeze (the correct kind I’m sure) into some of the pipes and skimmer bucket.
While the pool was closed, I learned that I should probably pressure wash the cover to keep it from clogging and sagging (which I believe makes it collect more debris).
Anyway, I opened the pool by myself this year. It was dirtier than I’d expected, but seemingly a two-day process instead of a two week process this time. Bromine went up from under $250 a bucket to nearly $350 I bucket I think. Ouch. I bought one bucket, but wonder if maybe it’s more expensive at pool-opening time, or this is just simply inflation at work.
While it was generally smoother than last year for sure, I did have some self-inflicted drama though.
1) The garage floor drain is where the waste water from my triton valve goes. There’s a valve on some copper piping that heads to the garage floor drain. Since this isn’t sewage, it apparently heads into the house sewer line, but connects on the basement floor side of the floor drain trap. Apparently the basement floor drain trap was half-full of debris, effectively reducing its pipe size. So when I put full-speed water from the garage through it, the water came up out of the drain. Total mess, including all the leaf debris from the pool filter back-flush. And of course my tenant’s clothes and stuff was directly on the floor in the laundry room where this all happened.
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I signed up for $8/mo sewer line protection, and this all got cleared and is not a problem when I back-flush now. But it didn’t end there.
2) At 2:30 pm Thursday, I left TWO garden hoses filling the pool so I could get the skimmer in action, and left asking my tenants assistant to turn off the water when she left. Like I do, she forgot, as I always do, until I asked at 5:45 pm. I finally shut off the water at 6 pm. It was half-way up the bricks. So I’m sure it was going into the basement at that point, as it always seems to do when it gets about 2/3 up the tile. I’m going to take a walk over there to check out where the level stopped falling (with water surely going into the basement all-the-while). It’s interesting that the roof rainwater can dump onto the brick patio just a few more feet to the left, but water from the pool makes it into the basement. Maybe ripping up the brick patio is in my near future.
3) The third thing that I need to address is the pool piping setup. I’m entering a “do only what absolutely must be done” phase financially, but I know that the triton valve isn’t reliable. I would think that when I have only one of two inputs open, the other closed, and the valve set to “waste”, I’d expect all the water to go out the drain, and not back into the pool. But I know this isn’t happening because when vacuuming the bottom of the pool if it’s dirt, I will quickly get brown clouds out the jet on the side of the pool. Also, the copper from the garden-hose inlet (which I can use to supply water to the garage with a washing-machine hose and a garden hose from the house) is starting to leak at one of the sweat fittings). I understand the pool pump might create more pressure than water pressure. So maybe I better be really careful to not have this connected with water running, or I could contaminate drinking water with pool water. Maybe a check valve is going to be needed in the long term.
Over the winter, I got a water line and a natural gas line run to the garage. It’s good to know that’s there for when it’s time to get everything piped correctly.
I also learned that the rainwater line from the garage can’t be used for sewage unless I change the way it ties into the basement floor drain. I might want to do that to prevent the back-flush-floor-drain-overflow situation anyway.
Here’s the progression of my pool opening this year over Wednesday and Thursday.
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While the pool was closed, I learned that I should probably pressure wash the cover to keep it from clogging and sagging (which I believe makes it collect more debris).
Anyway, I opened the pool by myself this year. It was dirtier than I’d expected, but seemingly a two-day process instead of a two week process this time. Bromine went up from under $250 a bucket to nearly $350 I bucket I think. Ouch. I bought one bucket, but wonder if maybe it’s more expensive at pool-opening time, or this is just simply inflation at work.
While it was generally smoother than last year for sure, I did have some self-inflicted drama though.
1) The garage floor drain is where the waste water from my triton valve goes. There’s a valve on some copper piping that heads to the garage floor drain. Since this isn’t sewage, it apparently heads into the house sewer line, but connects on the basement floor side of the floor drain trap. Apparently the basement floor drain trap was half-full of debris, effectively reducing its pipe size. So when I put full-speed water from the garage through it, the water came up out of the drain. Total mess, including all the leaf debris from the pool filter back-flush. And of course my tenant’s clothes and stuff was directly on the floor in the laundry room where this all happened.
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I signed up for $8/mo sewer line protection, and this all got cleared and is not a problem when I back-flush now. But it didn’t end there.
2) At 2:30 pm Thursday, I left TWO garden hoses filling the pool so I could get the skimmer in action, and left asking my tenants assistant to turn off the water when she left. Like I do, she forgot, as I always do, until I asked at 5:45 pm. I finally shut off the water at 6 pm. It was half-way up the bricks. So I’m sure it was going into the basement at that point, as it always seems to do when it gets about 2/3 up the tile. I’m going to take a walk over there to check out where the level stopped falling (with water surely going into the basement all-the-while). It’s interesting that the roof rainwater can dump onto the brick patio just a few more feet to the left, but water from the pool makes it into the basement. Maybe ripping up the brick patio is in my near future.
3) The third thing that I need to address is the pool piping setup. I’m entering a “do only what absolutely must be done” phase financially, but I know that the triton valve isn’t reliable. I would think that when I have only one of two inputs open, the other closed, and the valve set to “waste”, I’d expect all the water to go out the drain, and not back into the pool. But I know this isn’t happening because when vacuuming the bottom of the pool if it’s dirt, I will quickly get brown clouds out the jet on the side of the pool. Also, the copper from the garden-hose inlet (which I can use to supply water to the garage with a washing-machine hose and a garden hose from the house) is starting to leak at one of the sweat fittings). I understand the pool pump might create more pressure than water pressure. So maybe I better be really careful to not have this connected with water running, or I could contaminate drinking water with pool water. Maybe a check valve is going to be needed in the long term.
Over the winter, I got a water line and a natural gas line run to the garage. It’s good to know that’s there for when it’s time to get everything piped correctly.
I also learned that the rainwater line from the garage can’t be used for sewage unless I change the way it ties into the basement floor drain. I might want to do that to prevent the back-flush-floor-drain-overflow situation anyway.
Here’s the progression of my pool opening this year over Wednesday and Thursday.
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Updates from this year (so far):
Sagging Mesh Cover, Learned that pressure washing helps:
https://www.poolhelpforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=46317
Stripped and temporarily fixed the gear on the timer for the pool robot (the jet on the hose that picks up and moves the robot which has a water timer):
https://www.poolhelpforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=47244
Pool seems to leak when water level high, grouting the tiles with “pool patch”:
https://www.poolhelpforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=47289
Edit:
Looking back at this thread, and seeing all the couplings that are available. I learned that with the screw-in 90-Degree PVC fitting, I should be able to pump water out of the pool as opposed to letting the dirty water blow back in when I’m trying to vacuum or filter really dirty water. I realize that my triton valve maybe should handle this by sending water to the garage floor drain, but since it doesn’t, it seems that just pumping out the water when trying to vacuum the pool might make the most sense. Then again, maybe next winter I will be able to keep the pool cleaner, with fewer leaves in it.
Sagging Mesh Cover, Learned that pressure washing helps:
https://www.poolhelpforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=46317
Stripped and temporarily fixed the gear on the timer for the pool robot (the jet on the hose that picks up and moves the robot which has a water timer):
https://www.poolhelpforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=47244
Pool seems to leak when water level high, grouting the tiles with “pool patch”:
https://www.poolhelpforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=47289
Edit:
Looking back at this thread, and seeing all the couplings that are available. I learned that with the screw-in 90-Degree PVC fitting, I should be able to pump water out of the pool as opposed to letting the dirty water blow back in when I’m trying to vacuum or filter really dirty water. I realize that my triton valve maybe should handle this by sending water to the garage floor drain, but since it doesn’t, it seems that just pumping out the water when trying to vacuum the pool might make the most sense. Then again, maybe next winter I will be able to keep the pool cleaner, with fewer leaves in it.
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This weekend while using pool patch to regroup the tile, and dropping the water a few inches lower, I realized how many repaired cracks there are in this pool. It seems almost as if the whole tile-rim of the pool has lifted away from the pool at one point or another. This would specifically explain why there was so much patching that was required around the steps and along the two adjacent sides.
In some senses, I feel like this pool is now being held together with shoestrings, bubble gum and duct tape. But on the other hand, if it’s been there since the 1950’s, relatively it seems to be holding up pretty well.
Knowing that it’s probably going to be $15,000-$20,000 to rip off the top of the pool, all the tile and redo the coping and repair the concrete we find behind it… it’s hard to justify that when the pool can be enjoyed when only spending about $1000 to patch and paint it. And how much longer will a $20,000 job last than a $1000 repair?
Ok. The $500 repair to slap the tile back on the wall and get the pool holding water short term didn’t last long. It didn’t even last a full year. But I didn’t do anything to try and assure that water would t get behind the tile before the winter. I realize there error in that now. The fall (closing time) would have been the ideal time to re-grout tile, paint the walls, and to also point any cracks in the mortar between bricks above the pool to help assure water doesn’t get to behind the pool surfaces.
Now another way to look at it is that the whole pool really needs to be modernized with rubber expansion joint and some type of protective membrane that would Pete t it and prolong it’s life.
It might be easier to justify if I had $20k sitting around, but the fact is that it will be debt on a variable rate loan that’s only going up in interest rate.
So if I look at this with the time-value-of-money, it seems that the job/problem is unlikely to grow exponentially, but I don’t know pools. I’m learning.
I’m starting to understand how complicated it can be to have a pool in a freezing climate.
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Now I realize how me not patching ALL of that before winter was stupid neglect. However, I WAS considering doing the full tear-and-repair.
Maybe with the ease with which I was able to get the pool up and running in 2022, and knowing I was loosing my tenant in coming months, and also having spent so much on the house with other repairs, I really had to minimize costs.
Edit: and a few more my wife was able to dig up FROM 2021:
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So you can see how the improvements that have already been made seem pretty monumental. It’s just a question of how long I will be chasing the elusive perfection, and if spending $20,000 would really even get me there.
Time to request a consultation with my pool guy again I think.
And as I go to send him a note requesting a consultation, I see the glaring issues he so kindly pointed out for me just a few weeks ago…
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Those are all patched up now. I’ve taken this all much farther than I believe he ever suggested.
In some senses, I feel like this pool is now being held together with shoestrings, bubble gum and duct tape. But on the other hand, if it’s been there since the 1950’s, relatively it seems to be holding up pretty well.
Knowing that it’s probably going to be $15,000-$20,000 to rip off the top of the pool, all the tile and redo the coping and repair the concrete we find behind it… it’s hard to justify that when the pool can be enjoyed when only spending about $1000 to patch and paint it. And how much longer will a $20,000 job last than a $1000 repair?
Ok. The $500 repair to slap the tile back on the wall and get the pool holding water short term didn’t last long. It didn’t even last a full year. But I didn’t do anything to try and assure that water would t get behind the tile before the winter. I realize there error in that now. The fall (closing time) would have been the ideal time to re-grout tile, paint the walls, and to also point any cracks in the mortar between bricks above the pool to help assure water doesn’t get to behind the pool surfaces.
Now another way to look at it is that the whole pool really needs to be modernized with rubber expansion joint and some type of protective membrane that would Pete t it and prolong it’s life.
It might be easier to justify if I had $20k sitting around, but the fact is that it will be debt on a variable rate loan that’s only going up in interest rate.
So if I look at this with the time-value-of-money, it seems that the job/problem is unlikely to grow exponentially, but I don’t know pools. I’m learning.
I’m starting to understand how complicated it can be to have a pool in a freezing climate.
Edit: here are a bunch of pics from HOW IT LOOKED IN 2021…
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Now I realize how me not patching ALL of that before winter was stupid neglect. However, I WAS considering doing the full tear-and-repair.
Maybe with the ease with which I was able to get the pool up and running in 2022, and knowing I was loosing my tenant in coming months, and also having spent so much on the house with other repairs, I really had to minimize costs.
Edit: and a few more my wife was able to dig up FROM 2021:
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So you can see how the improvements that have already been made seem pretty monumental. It’s just a question of how long I will be chasing the elusive perfection, and if spending $20,000 would really even get me there.
Time to request a consultation with my pool guy again I think.
And as I go to send him a note requesting a consultation, I see the glaring issues he so kindly pointed out for me just a few weeks ago…
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Those are all patched up now. I’ve taken this all much farther than I believe he ever suggested.
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Denniswiseman
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Re: Just Purchased Project - Delaware
Is it not possible to fit a liner?
Re: Just Purchased Project - Delaware
Denniswiseman wrote:Is it not possible to fit a liner?
I don’t know that it will be necessary, but that brings up an excellent potential point….
First… what’s a liner? And how much does it cost? I’m planning on doing some painting of the pool wall this falls
Second… are there “liners I should be considering that make the bricks on top of the pool “waterproof.” There’s clear masonry water sealer that might be exactly what I need to waterproof the bricks near the pool. That might help them prevent water from getting in, freezing, and cracking to the point where it causes problems with the pool.
My pool doesn’t seem to handle the problem of heaving frozen ground very well. There’s no rubber seal.
Re: Just Purchased Project - Delaware
Denniswiseman wrote:Is it not possible to fit a liner?
Anything is possible, but this guy makes it sound like it would be a terrible idea.
https://youtu.be/HhjIA0Xl6HA
This year is the year to try and give the pool a fighting chance.
Next year will probably be the year to determine if I’ve done all the wrong stuff, adding band-aids to my pool.
I’m pretty confident in my ability to hide all my issues and make the pool LOOK good, and even hold water for the season. Getting through a winter without having new issues develop might be a different challenge.
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Denniswiseman
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Re: Just Purchased Project - Delaware
My mistake
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Denniswiseman
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Re: Just Purchased Project - Delaware
mknmike wrote:Denniswiseman wrote:Is it not possible to fit a liner?
Anything is possible, but this guy makes it sound like it would be a terrible idea.
https://youtu.be/HhjIA0Xl6HA
The video seems somewhat biased having read all the replies
How are all inground vinyl pools installed?
I would want to get the job done and finished so that I could enjoy my pool and not continuely patching it up
Re: Just Purchased Project - Delaware
Denniswiseman wrote:mknmike wrote:Denniswiseman wrote:Is it not possible to fit a liner?
Anything is possible, but this guy makes it sound like it would be a terrible idea.
https://youtu.be/HhjIA0Xl6HA
The video seems somewhat biased having read all the replies
How are all inground vinyl pools installed?
I would want to get the job done and finished so that I could enjoy my pool and not continuely patching it up
He has a video that discusses how to resurface concrete pools and says that painted pools like mine eventually need to be sandblasted and re-plastered and makes that sound like it can be done for $5000-12,000. It sounds like he suggests tile and coping jobs each can be in the same price range. But those videos were surely made before our insane inflation of the last few years.
My next step seems to be figuring out what to do about the pool surface. Will I need to sandblast it off? Or can I just pressure wash it myself and paint it? The guys at the pool store have told me I can buy 5 gallons of pool paint for $500. If I can DIY and paint, that’s cheap, but I don’t want to drain the pool myself. I’d be confident painting the top of the pool in the fall when dropping the water level, but not draining the whole pool.
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Teapot1
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Re: Just Purchased Project - Delaware
Pool paint is just a waste on money, you'll be doing it all over again in 2-3 years.
I havent listened to Pool Steve's video but having fitted liners to leaky pools the only issues are where fitting meant for concrete have to changed for liners.
I havent listened to Pool Steve's video but having fitted liners to leaky pools the only issues are where fitting meant for concrete have to changed for liners.
I may not give you the answer you want to hear, but I will give an honest opinion of your situation as you decribe it.
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